[AUUG-Talk]: [Auugps] [Fwd: [Webmaster]: Aussie overseas inquiring about AUUG]

[Frank Crawford]

Craig, Steve,
	I agree that I think this is an interesting idea.  It would be a
continuation of AUUG and John Lion's traditions.  I'd like to see a
physical printed book, as well as other distribution mechanisms.  I
agree that we aren't intending to make money, so making it freely
distributed is a good idea, although it should have a copyright, but
something like it should be freely available to all, just give attribute
on where it came from.

	And on Steve's last comment, what is the next steps?

Frank

On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 16:01 +1000, steve jenkin wrote:
> This message is a test of addresses and response to David & Craig.
> I've added what I believe is current correct addressing (@lists.xxxx).
> [I never saw a copy from 'Talk']
> See if it bounces :-)
> 
> I think the idea is interesting & sound.
> Will a Yearly AUUG Compendium be widely read?
> => Can't know without trying.
> 
> BTW - will this be a web-only affair, or In Print?
> Printed means we can sell to Libraries.
> On-line means we have to get it into Google Books or organise on-going
> hosting.
> 
> When money is involved, its gets complicated for the AUUG Preservation
> Society. It won't be having a bank account.
> Nor, most likely, will it be formally incorporated.
> 
> There are two main tasks of an editor:
>  - set the agenda
>  - identify specific authors & approach them for content.
>     Then "herd the butterflies" and see what's available
>     at publication time.
> 
> Specific Authors:
>  - if any of you know authors who already have written
>    good/suitable pieces, please nominate them.
> 
>  - any people you'd *like* to write something on the topics.
> 
>  - other people who've written on important topics
>     you'd like to see in the edition.
> 
>  - Stand-out Authors & Conference speakers from Years Past.
>    - Where are they now? What interests them? What have they done?
>    - How does there previous paper/talk stand up now?
>    - What's surprised and/or delighted them?
> 
> My *suggestions* for content of a first edition:
> [please post your own suggestions]
> 
>  - Three Themes/Sections:
>     Looking Forward,
>     Looking Back,
>     What's Happening Now.
> 
>  - Looking Forward (my suggestions)
>    - Microsoft, OS/X and Linux - an ecosystem or competitors.
>    - Appliances, servers and Unixes. Lives & Niches.
>    - Where's Hardware going? What will that do to Systems?
>    - The Internet Changes Everything:
>       what will be the same & different?
>    - Will we see A New Important O/S?
>       Have we hit 'End of Days' on O/S versions?
>       Like 'C' won the race for lingua franca.
> 
> 
>  - Looking Back
>    - Personal Journey's, biographies, ...
>    - Revisiting past seminal papers
>    - What we Learnt. What we'd do Differently.
>    - Why we are where we are.
>    - Everything Old is New Again. Rediscovering past Big New Ideas
>    - ...
> 
> 
>  - What's Happening Now?
>    - Hot New Topics, ReInventing Past Breakthroughs.
>    - Kernel Hacking, real-time, advanced programming issues
>    - Cloud Services, Grid Computing
>    - Virtualisation, Server & Desktop Hardware, Networks & SANS'
>    - Firewalls, Auditing, Logging & Log Analysis, Authentication
>    - Scale Up, Scale Out, Server Room architectures & Design
>    - Performance Analysis, Capacity Planning/Forecasting
>    - Databases, DBA tools, Disks, Storage, Backups/Restores
>    - Load Balancing, Clustering, Service Failover, Scale & Performance
>    - email, DNS, IDS, Security
>    - Web Farms, Web Services, SoA, Web 2.0
>    - Single-signon systems
>    - Printing, User Management, Desktop Support, HelpDesk,
>       Problem/Bug Tracking
>    - Billing, Operations (lights-out?),
>    - Software Distribution, Config Mgt, Release Mgt, Failover/Continuity
>    - Rollouts and Upgrades
> 
> 
> Anyone out there?
> Anyone got suggestions or contacts?
> 
> What are our next steps if we decide to do this?
> 
> 
> AUUG Webmaster wrote on 5/9/09 12:54 AM:
> > Hi Craig,
> > 
> > Thanks for your thoughtful suggestion, which I've passed on to the AUUG
> > Preservation Society list and the AUUG talk list.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > David Newall
> > AUUG Webmaster
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [Webmaster]: Aussie overseas inquiring about AUUG
> > Date: Fri,  4 Sep 2009 22:25:05 +0930 (CST)
> > From: nobody at www.auug.org.au (Unprivileged user)
> > Reply-To: craig at logicscope.com
> > To: webmaster at auug.org.au
> > 
> > craig at logicscope.com sent the following message:
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------
> > comment = It's a bit sad to see the AUUG in poor health.
> > 
> > Computers are notorious for rapid obsolescence. However, unix doesn't
> > play by those rules. Old unix books still have a lot of value, and
> > people with unix skills are on a career path that is healthy. A few
> > months ago I visited a customer in Germany, and found a 70 year old BSD
> > admin. We switched tips about ksh editing modes and scripting tricks.
> > There's a special sort of community in this.
> > 
> > I think a valuable role for AUUG would be to orient around the idea of
> > producing an annual monograph that aims to be by and for unix hackers,
> > with the intention of that its contents would be long-lived. It could be
> > compiled by a guest editor each year - there are plenty of cool
> > Australians around in unix worthy of such an honour. No copyright on
> > editions - have sales but encourage people to spread the PDFs as well.
> > Distribution of the paper copise of the book would be distributed to
> > members. You'll find that the paper copies would become collectors'
> > editions.
> > 
> > This would be a thoroughly appropriate continuation of the Lions' tradition.
> > 
> > I don't like being part of mailing lists, and am reluctant to join the
> > 'talk' list mentioned elsewhere on these pages. However, if these
> > comments resonate with anyone receiving this email then let me know. I
> > wrote the software that sits underneath "Jigsaw Publications" in
> > Adelaide (I now live in London) and could probably contribute to
> > low-cost printing costs if there was interest in this idea.
> > 
> > fullname = Craig Turner
> > sender = craig at logicscope.com
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