[AUUG-Talk]: Re: AUUG: Time to pull the plug?
sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au
Thu Sep 14 14:44:51 EST 2006
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote on 14/9/06 11:52 AM:
I was a founding member. It'd be nice to see AUUG continue, but since
2000 it's not been a well puppy.
I've had on-going issues with the board since 2002/3 - *everything* I've
emailed has been black-holed. Promises of "we'll get back to you" have
never been kept...
I've posted some positive suggestions for new, scalable "continuing
format" meetings based on the SANS proven "What Works" idea - and been
told "close but no banana"...
Last year when I heard Liz had quit, I offered my services as paid
admin, *cheaply*. Months later I followed up on the non-reply. Got yet
another "we'll get back to you"... Still no answer or acknowledgement.
18 months on, I'm no longer interested.
Perhaps there is a retired or under-employed member who might take on
Last year I drove to the conf. in Sydney just for the AGM.
Nothing the (then) committee said gave me any confidence that:
- I'd ever get responses to emails
- any real change would happen.
I've talked with Steve Landers on and off for some years.
He's capable and a competent business admin and focussed on rebuilding AUUG.
I just don't see any results.... Yes - there is a new AUUG portal.
I decided last year to not renew at 30/6 this year.
But have yet to notice an invoice or reminder...
And in 2000 I kicked off the John Lions Chair appeal at UNSW.
It's up to $1.6M thanks in large part to Qualcomm, Greg Rose, Gernot
Heisner, John O'Brien and Chris Maltby. It's not enough to permanently
fund a Chair - but enough is there for 10+ years, so the intention is to
appoint someone Real Soon Now (since end 2005, in fact).
> My questions at the moment:
> - Do enough members think that it's time to dissolve AUUG?
That's too harsh. Put some numbers on it. Such as:
- If the money in kitty drops below $50,000, or
- if membership numbers stay static (+/- 1%) for 3-4 consecutive years,
- if the conference fails 2 years in a row
But you don't ask: "What are AUUG's Aims?"
=> We've promoted Unix and it's done really well.
That would seem to be "Mission Accomplished"
The directions I've seen from the new board(s) haven't included
a public discussion of this AFAIK.
> - How many members do we have?
Didn't come up at the AGM last year.
At the Melbourne AGM, it was about 200 - IIRC.
The really pertinent questions about members are:
- How many *new* members? [Are the old guard being replaced?]
- How many *student* members?
- Average age, avg. yrs membership and their trend-lines...
Other appropriate "org. health" figures are:
- Total Turn-over + yearly trend
- Conference income/profit + yearly trend.
> - How do we know who the members are? At this stage, I'd say that the
> only proof is a receipt for payment of membership fees.
That would be covered in the constitution as "financial members".
Seemingly not billing members is an administrative oversight.
> - If we dissolve AUUG, what do we do with the funds? I can see a
> number of possibilities:
> - AUUG should merge with Linux Australia. I think it's pretty clear
> that Linux Australia is conceptually the successor organization.
> The problem I have (and that LA shares) is that there's no place
> there for users of proprietary UNIX.
> - Donate all the funds to the John Lions chair of computer science
> at UNSW.
The UNSW Chair could use the money well.
Linux Australia is *linux* not Unix. Not a good match of aims.
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