[AUUG-Talk]: Any activity?

Frank Crawford frank at crawford.emu.id.au
Wed Apr 23 21:22:54 EST 2008

Guys, calm down a bit.  You are both doing useful things for AUUG in
general and the activities show that there is still some life in the old

One of the problem as I see it is that all these things are being done
at the lowest level, but individuals or small groups.  Nothing is being
done to pull all these efforts together.

In fact, I see both of you have been active in trying to set some future
directions for AUUG, and could even be together on the board!


On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 07:16 +0930, David Lloyd wrote:
> David,
> David Newall wrote:
> > Frank Crawford wrote:
> >> 	While I'm not on the board, I'd propose that the board drops the
> >> membership fee to $10, effective immediately and then try and encourage
> >> some of the past "rabble rousers" back in and convince them to stand for
> >> election.
> > There is nothing for AUUG to do.  It's members do
> > nothing collectively, except the occasional social meeting, and these
> > occur in spite of AUUG, not because of it.  These social meetings don't
> > even get written up for the web, which is a pity, not to mention
> > selfish.  (I'm particularly glaring at the "Calzone Gang".)
> I haven't seen you at an AUUG meeting in SA, which we've held 
> consistently every 2nd Wednesday at the same place, for the past 12 
> months or longer. One of us announces it to the South Australian mailing 
> list and I'll generally announce it to LinuxSA when it's the December one.
> I take particular offence at your suggestion that any SA AUUG member is 
> selfish.
> > You who are members:  get off your lazy hind legs and do something.
> Yes, for example there's a meeting we hold every 2nd Wednesday, 7 PM at 
> Marcellina's restaurant in Pulteney Street in Adelaide. YOU could 
> actually come along and I extend that invitation despite the fact that 
> you seem to imply that the people who do come along are "lazy, bunch of 
> no-good bums who pretend to be members.".
> > The
> > current situation is a farce.  Failure to wind up at the recent vote was
> > shameful.  How dare you keep AUUG in this limbo when you know perfectly
> > well that none of you are willing to do anything.  As you are hell bent
> > on not winding up, then at the very least change the constitution to
> > automatically expel any member who fails to make a contribution within a
> > 90 day period.  I'm serious.  AUUG has no use for the current, lazy
> > bunch of no-good bums who pretend to be members.  If you do nothing then
> > piss off.
> I don't know if suggesting anyone is "selfish", "lazy" or a member of a 
> group described as "[a] lazy bunch of no-good bums" is the type of 
> contribution that AUUG needs at the moment. This type of accusation is 
> likely to drive people AWAY from AUUG rather than draw people to it.
> If AUUG is so offended that we've met under its name for the past two 
> years on a regular basis (and it could be longer), at the same place and 
> that we've bothered to ensure that at least the SA mailing list members 
> are aware of it, then the board can write to us ON THIS MAILING LIST to 
> ask us not to BUT I expect such a message to come from The President and 
> the Board.
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