[AUUG-Talk]: [Fwd: Re: AUUG scanning for Google Print]

[Frank Crawford]

Dave, Others,
	There is a step before all this that you are forgetting, there is a
legal agreement between AUUG and Google regarding what is allowed and
what isn't.  AUUG will certainly be including an item that the files
must be available, and if they do put up a low-res image, then we will
terminate the agreement, in which case we get the PDFs back.

	As well, reading the entire FAQ, their aim is to put up as much as
possible, in fact, one of the FAQ items is:

Q. Can you sell subscriptions for our digitized journals? 
A. The goal of this program is to help make archival journal collections
more accessible and more visible. We do not plan to charge for access to
these articles (via subscription or purchase). There are several other
organizations that facilitate subscription/paper-per-view based
monetization of digitized collections.

	Regarding downloading, yes according to their documentation we should
be able to download them, I take it to be a option that the viewer can
select, i.e. they are not forced to download or print it.  The only
minor problem with downloading is that the current sample page doesn't
have that option, but also, that is an image of a book, not a journal
like ours.

	In particular, I take it as an item for us to decide on in the
agreement with Google.

	Finally, what is the real value of the old AUUGNs?  It has historical
value showing the history of Unix development in Australia, but no great
commercial value.  However, if we don't do anything soon, that will be
lost, as despite AUUG's best intentions we will never really organise to
get them all digitised by ourselves.

Regards
Frank

P.S. Dave, "Thou shalt not profit from my offer.", do you just mean
Google (or other commercial entity) or do you also include AUUG is that
statement?

On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 00:01 +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006, Glenn Satchell wrote:
> 
> > > > Q. Can you provide us with the digital files?
> > > > A: We are unable to provide the digital files unless we terminate the
> > > > service or the agreement. We would like to point out that this is a
> > > > non-exclusive program. 
> > > 
> > > Will the digital files be publicly available, i.e. can we fetch them 
> > > ourselves (individually, or as AUUG) once they are available?
> > 
> >  Q: What will users see when they find my digitized articles? 
> >  A: Users will see the full digitized article and will have an option to
> >  download PDFs for reading or printing. <snip>
> > 
> > Doesn't that clause cover it?
> 
> Not in the slightest; it's that "option" bit that worries me, and until 
> that's cleared up then I'm going to sit tight on my early issues, thank 
> you very much.
> 
> I mean, what part of "We are unable to provide the digital files" happens 
> to correspond to "Users will see the full digitized article", for fsck's 
> sake?
> 
> For example, if those Google moguls are going to provide a blurry low-res 
> image for viewing but a pay-per-view high-res, then I really am going to 
> reconsider my offer.  In other words, NO.
> 
> Perhaps it was remiss of me to fail to point out a blindingly obvious 
> condition of my offer: "Thou shalt not profit from my offer."
> 
> Covering expenses is one thing (and I'm prepared to pay for that out of my 
> own pocket, if AUUG won't come to the party) but there ain't no way that 
> anyone is going to make any money out these early issues.
> 
> Details, please; details.  AUUG is supposed to be "Open", after all.
> 
> -- Dave
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