[AUUG-Talk]: AUUG2007 speakers
arjen at mysql.com
Wed Feb 7 14:14:58 EST 2007
On 07/02/2007, at 11:19 AM, Steve Landers wrote:
> On 07/02/2007, at 10:01 AM, Arjen Lentz wrote:
>> On 06/02/2007, at 12:05 PM, Steve Landers wrote:
>>> On 06/02/2007, at 10:02 AM, Adrian Close wrote:
>>>> P.S. We haven't had a conference theme in recent years and I
>>>> think we need one. Ideas wanted. Winning suggestion gets at
>>>> least a choccy frog.
>>> Without wishing to be (too) provocative - how about something
>>> along the lines of "Open Source Software - it's more than just
>>> Linux" ;-)
>> LCA also had BSD, microkernel, OpenSolaris and other talks.
>> So the above is by no means a differentiator.
> Actually, it is - who advocates/supports developers and users of
> OSS applications on platforms other than Linux?
All of LCA, SAGE-AU and OSDC are conferences inclusive of the above
topics, and of course there is Open Source Industry Australia
(osia.net.au) advocating open source (incl open standards) use in
Australia - and LCA and OSIA have been specifically effective in
interactive with state and federal governments influencing policy, as
well as gaining significant press attention for these relevant issues.
One gets recognition for things being accomplished, not just for
stating intentions or principles.
Nor can one keep leaning on past accomplishments. What is happening NOW.
>> There are a number of currently well attended conferences in
>> - LCA: kernel and other lowlevel stuff, assorted geeky gadgets.
>> - SAGE-AU: sysadmin related stuff.
>> - OSDC: more higher level developer stuff (app languages/tools).
>> These three appear to neatly complement eachother.
>> Can you indicate where AUUG fits?
> See front page of http://new.auug.org.au - in particular, the last
> three points.
Let's look at all 5:
> - Unix operating systems from proprietary vendors
Past AUUG conferences indicate otherwise, they have not covered
proprietary unixes to any significance, and will therefore not have
attracted members who have such an interest. In fact, I would
question whether those who were members for that reason are still a)
members and b) active, since in recent years their needs have
apparently not been catered for.
> - Linux, BSD and other Open Source operating systems
Same as all other aforementioned organisations and conferences.
We shouldn't let ourselves get stuck over the fact that LA is called
Linux Australia. The LCA conference programs over recent years have
clearly shown its broad appeal, and its growing attendance is further
proof of that.
This year, there was, for instance, a keynote from Andy Tanenbaum.
Definitely not a Linux fan even ;-)
> - Open standards, specifically those which enable the free and
unrestricted interchange of information
I think you'll find all relevant major organisations (Linux
Australia, OSIA) on board with that (can't speak for SAGE-AU, I don't
know), so while it's good and necessary that AUUG would also want
this, it is by no means a distinguishing facet.
> - Open Source applications, regardless of the platform they run on
Certainly, but this again is not unique to AUUG.
The others organisations and conferences actively support the same
and this is reflected in their past activities.
OSDC already had Java and .Net topics last year, to name one specific
> - other cool technical stuff
Depending on what level/topic exactly, I can definitely say that I've
seen this at past LCA and SAGE-AU conferences (in abundance), and
while I have not personally attended past OSDC conferences, the
program certainly appears to have included this also.
I should mention that the AUUG conference is quite expensive compared
to the other conferences.
You will find this to be a definite factor in people's decision
But I also refer back to my earlier question here about which topics
previous AUUG conferences have covered.
The AUUG board does not decide what AUUG is interested in,
(potential) members have existing interests and will partake in an
organisation that reflects that. Those who have seen no activities of
interest to them will have either left or are dormant on autopay.
I was intrigued by the statement from the board that there had been
no motion to disband AUUG at the AGM.
Speaking for myself and taking on board the points made here earlier,
I think most people have left; it seems a bit silly to spend >$100
and such merely to get to suggest and vote on closing shop. One may
say that members will have voted with their feet already.
Mind you, and I want to be absolutely clear about this!
I think the AUUG conferences 2003-2005 that I attended were all well
organised and interesting, I have met many new people and learnt
about interesting topics.
But I also note that the number of attendees had been steadily
declining, and I see the small attendance in 2006 as a reflection of
that. There are no doubt many additional aspects to this, but we
can't look purely inside AUUG. There are now other organisations with
significant traction, and likewise other conferences. And our IT
environment has evolved, right?
Organisations need to serve (and be seen to serve by others) a
purpose other than validating their own existence. When they stop
doing so, it is time to call it quits. That way volunteer efforts,
money and goodwill is not wasted.
The stoic continuation of AUUG does not inspire me in any way. It
ignores/dismisses rather than addresses issues.
I would like to celebrate AUUG's past great achievements, not see it
limp on comatose.
Arjen Lentz, Support Engineer & Trainer, MySQL AB
Based in Brisbane, Australia
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